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Saturday, August 2nd 2008

9:24 PM

Get OUT of our neighbourhood!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s the what condominium owners, who are calling themselves The Homewood-Maitland Safety Association,  a group of residents have recently moved into the area of Homewood and Maitland Street in Toronto are shouting every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday night starting at 11pm in an effort to drive the transgender sex workers who work there away. I found their ad on Craigslist which reads:

The Homewood-Maitland Safety Association is meeting on the corner of Maitland Place and Homewood Avenue - near Wellesley and Jarvis intersections - every Fridays and Saturdays at 11 PM to fight prostitution and crime in our neighbourhood.
We are asking every concerned and/or victims of crimes and prostitution to join us for a meeting and an evening of community action to fight this plague that is Prostitution in this neighbourhood.
JOIN US !!! Come Friday evening at
11 PM - Bring a Flashlight!
Thank you for helping your community! HomewoodMaitlandSafety@gmail.com


 

I’m going to the “meeting” (which apparently isn’t a meeting at all but a group of yuppie condominium owning thugs intent on ridding there neighbourhood of street prostitution by harassing, and assaulting women involved in street based sex work), with my partner in crime, sex worker activist and zero-shit-taker Carin. We’ll be armed with a mega phone to try and educate these ignorant people who have so much money between their ears it affects their ability to learn.

 

I think this issue has to do more with the morals of prostitution rather than the nuisance of prostitution. As a person who has lived in downtown Toronto for more than half my life I have resided in many neighbourhoods that were popular strolls for prostitution and found that the women standing on the corner waiting for a “date” were no different than the women standing around in their skin tight, skimpy outfits and high heels waiting to get into a dance club. The only difference between the two is that the women involved in prostitution weren’t drunkenly yelling and screaming in the streets and/or puking on my front lawn like the women going to the night clubs were, plus the women going to the clubs hung out with drunken club going men who also puked and pissed on my front lawn, making me want to start up my own Anti Nightclub Association.

 

Besides, Homeland and Maitland has historically been a transgender stroll, if anyone should move out it should me the yuppies who have recently immigrated there, either that or they should just live with it just like I have learned to live with their Starbuck trash that often “misses” the garbage can.

 

Until prostitution is decriminalized sex workers will have to work the streets, lest their homes or indoor establishments get seized by the government under the Bawdy House offences. And to all the condo owners: harassing women who are most likely poor and marginalized does not to promote community building and solidarity but, instead perpetuates and legitimizes hate crimes against sex workers. NIMBY-ism also promotes pushing women involved in street based sex working into dangerous areas that are isolated  -- such as truck stops, highways, and alleyways – increasing crimes against sex workers.

 

What the condo owners SHOULD be doing is connecting with the sex workers and creating strategies that would promote the safety of sex workers in the neighbourhood, while ensuring that the property value of the precious condo’s don’t go down.

103 total marks.

Posted by Jennifer Smith:

My sister used to live further west on Maitland when she was single, and she always felt very safe - specifically because of the high percentage of gay and transgendered residents.

Everyone in the village, especially the sex workers, is extremely conscious of personal safety for themselves and others. They look out for each other, and if these assholes would care to step out of their ivory condo tower once in a while and actually interact with their neighbours, they might start feeling a little safer.
Sunday, August 3rd 2008 @ 11:10 AM

Posted by Michael ruhland:

We are not thugs. We are, however, no longer prepared to accept the drugs, the fights, the screaming, the bumper to bumper traffic, the sex in doorways, the crack deals on our front porch, the defecation and urination on our property.

the fact that traditionally it was the stroll in no way justifies its continued status as a de-facto red-light zone.

Maybe if you spent more time on the street understanding the dilemma property owners face and less time subscribing to the usual left-wing nonsense.

Arm yourself with a megaphone if you like, but be aware that thsi is a residential neighbourhood and noise disturbances will result in a call to the police.
Saturday, August 9th 2008 @ 8:08 AM

Posted by Michael Ruhland:

It shouldn't surprise me that you are so quick to label those who want to see prostitution gone from our neighbourhood as black-shirts, running dogs and capitalist roaders.

I live at street level and the situation is intolerable. I woudl invite you to spend a night or two sleeping in our front-facing bedroom with the windows open. i suspect that you too woudl soon find yourself on the street demanding that the city take action to erradicate prostitution form homewood and Maitland.
Saturday, August 9th 2008 @ 8:31 AM

Posted by wendy miller:

Michael Ruhland,

For your information, I HAVE and still do live in a "prostitution infested" neighbourhood and I have nothing but respect for those women. I havehowever, seen the harrassment that your group has done, I've also SEEN the assaults. Your group is more like a hate group than a residential group and trust me, if I see anything the police WILL be called - not because of prostitution but because of your gang for harassing and assaulting women.

See you tonight!
Saturday, August 9th 2008 @ 2:08 PM

Posted by Michael Ruhland:

If you witness a crime it is your civic duty to report it. I would expect nothing less.

Feel free to scowl at us as much as you like but until you've had the singular pleasure of cleaning human feces off your front steps I suggest that you stop pretending you know your (doubtless enormous) ass from your elbow.
Saturday, August 9th 2008 @ 3:02 PM

Posted by wendy miller:

I have had the pleasure of cleaning human feces and urine from my lawn but, it's usually frat boys or people with mental health issues, not street sex workers (that would be bad for business). Harassing people is a crime, assaulting people is a crime, picking on people of a particular subgroup is a hate crime, learning to live with one another is bliss.

Why don't you try community building instead of community interference, you might find yourself in a better light. Right now you all look like so hate mongering men intent on harassing women.
Saturday, August 9th 2008 @ 4:29 PM

Posted by Michael ruhland:

I take exception to your mis-characterization of myself and my neighbors as hate mongers. We are not.


At all times we have remained in complete compliance with the law. you cannot say otherwise. you can make any statement you like but that doesn't make it true. No assaults have taken place. No-one has been criminally harassed by me or by my neighbours.

Twice now you have labelled me a hate-monger and labelled my actions a hate-crime. I respect your right to have an opinion, however ill-informed, and yet you do not respect my right to legally and peacefully demonstrate in defense of my constitutionally protected right to the quiet enjoyment of my premises. On balance, it would seem that YOU are the one calling people names. Sticks and stones.

One cannot reason with those who are not reasonable. We've tried many many times. I am now attempting to reason with you and gaining no purchase. Having made the attempt I will soon give up and write you off as being not worth the trouble of a response.

With regard to the trannies, it is only in the absence of all other reasonable options that we have finally, after many years of tolerance taken to the streets.

If you actually think that "community building" is the solution then get your left-wing all-talk-no-action ass out on the streets and help these "girls" find a safe area of town where they can practice their trade without infringing on my constitutionally protected right to the quiet enjoyment of my premises. I'm a reasonable person who wants to sit on his front porch, enjoy a glass of wine and have a little peace at the end of the day. That is not too much to expect. I wasn't raised in a convent. I expect a little local colour in downtown Toronto

I have no issue with women. I do, however, take issue with a shrill and ill-informed woman who is so blind to any form of rational discourse that I might as well be talking to a tree. You are a fool to believe that street prostitutio
Saturday, August 9th 2008 @ 5:57 PM

Posted by Anonymous:

con;t..
You are naive to believe that street prostitution is in any way a positive community contributor. I contribute to my community by planting a nice garden, picking up litter, clearing snow off the sidewalks and picking up my dog's poo. Exactly how do they contribute to our community? Perhaps you think the knife fight last Wednesday was a positive contribution? Or perhaps the crack deal they conducted on my front porch was a positive contribution? How about threatening me, saying that if I didn't; run away home she'd call her pimp and he'd kneecap me?

P.s Y chromosome means she's not a "she"

Or perhaps you think that your twice labeling me a hate-monger is a positive contribution to the community?

On the plus side, I'm delighted to see that our opponents in this small struggle are pretty much composed of the usual gang of Fouculdians and loudmouths. Looks like tomorrow belongs to us don't it?
Saturday, August 9th 2008 @ 6:13 PM

Posted by wendy miller:

Well aren't you just a saint. i contribute to my community by working with the police to solve crimes against sex workers, I also work with sex workers in my community to use services and work as safely as possible. I also put myself on the line to speak out for marginalized women. But you, you plant a garden and pick up your dog's poo. What a humanist and great community member you are...
Saturday, August 9th 2008 @ 6:25 PM

Posted by Allan:

Wendy, why don t you do something positive for the community ? instead of helping and protecting criminals like those MEN, dressed as women prostituting themselves in front of OUR HOMES ??? - Maybe pick-up their shit ? when they defecate on our front steps - Maybe "educate" the krack-whores by adopting them into your home ??? - They could turn their tricks in your bedroom - How nice would that be ?? You would be the Beacon of Righteousness amount your whoring friends ! :):) ;)
Saturday, August 9th 2008 @ 6:57 PM

Posted by Michael Ruhland:

As I mentioned, one can only reason with the unreasonable for so long before giving up the effort. I'm sad to say that the moment has now arrived.

Thanks very much for providing me with a venue to articulate my views on the issue of street prostitution. All the best.
Saturday, August 9th 2008 @ 7:06 PM

Posted by wendy miller:

Michael: What was the point of portraying yourself as "Allan", you know i own this site and have access to your IP address so what's with all the pretending?
Saturday, August 9th 2008 @ 7:27 PM

Posted by wendy miller:

PS. your last message sounded very threatening and hateful of transgender individuals. I will be reporting this.
Saturday, August 9th 2008 @ 7:29 PM

Posted by michael Ruhland:

Allan Bernardi is my boyfriend. He has his own opinions.
Saturday, August 9th 2008 @ 10:31 PM

Posted by michael:

What a sad and lonely person you must be.

I'll be brief because you've started to bore me. You're a liar Wendy. You've never witnessed an assault by a member of our group against the trannies. You've never witnessed criminal harassment. You're just a liar with a website who will say anything that comes to mind just to get herself some attention.

M
Saturday, August 9th 2008 @ 11:07 PM

Posted by Allan:

Hey Wendy, why don t you do us all a big favor ?? why don t you wash the sand out of your Vagina ??? :(
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 1:06 AM

Posted by Zeppi:

Hi Wendy
for the record:
1. the Homewood Maitland Safety Association is not made up of yuppies who just moved into the neighbourhood. We have been living here forever, actually longer than the sex workers.
2. we do not harass, throw eggs and assault women for one simple reason: read what is coming up next.
3. The sex workers in the neighbourhood are male not female. (Do not try and give the impression to the casual reader that these sex workers are some victimized women who had no recourse but to resort to the streets to make both ends meet)
4. The so called transgendered sex workers have no licence to operate in the neighbourhood. And they have not transited form male to female.
5. This neighbourhood has been cordial and tolerant to the sex workers but their lack of consideration for the rest of us has put them into the current predicament of actually angering residents to boot them out.
6. They also ain't some poor single mother on welfare or some Walmart greeter. many of them net $600 a night and live a high end lifestyle.
7. The sex trade issue is not a moral one. People are entitled to make a living but not at the expense of residents losing their sleep all night with criminals loitering in the area, breaking into our properties and disturbing the public peace.
8. Many of us vote Green and NDP and are left wing as one can be so you do not have a monopoly on social consciousness either.
9. You should quit talking ex cathedra and quit the pulpit since you ain't no Mother Teresa and we have never seen you offer succour to any of the sex workers we have succeede in driving out and whose business we basically ruined and devastated since last June.
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 1:38 AM

Posted by Zeppi:

and it continues:
10. Our organization is seeking dialogue with the trans gendered organization becuase many of us believe that the sex workers deserve to work in peace and with dignity but not at the expense of the property owners. NIMBY is not what we are about since the sex workers have had a free reign not only in our back yards but also in our front yards. What sex workers deserve is an area of town which is not residential in scope where they can do their thing without infringing on the rights of others.
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 1:51 AM

Posted by wendy miller:

Went down last night to do some witnessing, the people doing this protest obviously have nothing better to do, I think it's time for a counter protest.
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 12:01 PM

Posted by wendy miller:

PS. Transgender women are as much women as any other women.

P.S. You guys obviously don't know what i look like or you would have recognized me.
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 12:13 PM

Posted by Paul:

I have lived at this corner for YEARS - Wendy is updating from a distance with no concept of what it's like having this activity out her front door. There must be a place for this trans-gender community to practice their sex-trade. It sure doesn't belong here. What residential neibhbourhood bound by two schools and a long-term care facility should be subjected to prostitutes right out their front door? It's not just a small number of quiet little street-walkers, these people are loud, they fight with each other, and johns, and people passing by, they are often high, and in no way can one have a reasonable conversation with them. This goes on nightly. I'm sorry, I don't have an opinion about sex-trade workers, trans-gender or any of that - I am just reporting what I live with, any my sympathies are with the residents - living on such a pretty and great street in the daytime is a joy, but at night it is blemished with this uglyness. So why not stop arguing and find a suitable place where they are welcome? and if you can't find a place where they would be welcome, just WHY do you suppose that is?? try to figure that out and one might come to the conclusion the residents on homewood and maitland are reacting in a way any group of residents would.
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 12:38 PM

Posted by Natalie:

Paul Hyde,

I don't think Wendy is arguing that transsex workers should be allowed to practice there trade on a residential street, it sounds more like she's upset that people like you and Michale have taken it upon yourselves to verbally and physically abuse them in what seems like transphobia.

Wendy, as a transgender women I want to join you the next time you go down.

please email me.
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 1:10 PM

Posted by Zeppi:

Wendy,
You are more than welcome to dialogue with us on the street without having to pass by incognito. And I promise you that neither you nor anyone else is going to be subjected to disrespectful conduct. This is a free country and everyone is entitled to have an opinion.
I think that if you are a person who advocates for sex workers than that is in itself admirable since I believe that everybody in society deserves support, even the ill advised. The majority of sex workers do not want to be in this lifestyle and racket. Many of them told us that!

But you initial thread is very patronizing since you have totally discounted the concerns of others who are on the other side of the fence. And that is an intransigent stand which makes dialogue very difficult and it ends up being a laughable lampooning affair as you must have noted form a couple of contributions in your blog. :)

In your initial thread, you did not just state a personal opinion, you portrayed a very inaccurate picture of the situation by saying that it is yuppies who are at the corners to harrass and throw eggs on sex workers etc.

Wendy, there is such a thing as credibility in this stance becuase it is totally unfounded and you have reduced your position to a tunnel minded village shcool teachers of the 19th century. Yes, you may support the sex workers whole heartedly. But you have to consider one thing: You cannot have your cake and eat it too. On the one hand, you are advocating for 'women' be they trans or otherwise. In the interim you, as a woman (if you are a woman, since many are not totally honest about their identities on the net) have totally washed your hands of the impact this sex trade has on other women who are not in the immediate picture but very much affected by what is going on.

Let me explain:
Many, if not most of the johns who come to this intersection are out of towners. We have recorded licence plates and found out that they come from Mississauga and even Pickering. T
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 1:14 PM

Posted by Paul:

no one in that group has assualted anyone - and you should by all means, if you support the sex-trade workers being on homewood and maitland, you should indeed demonsrate for what you believe if you support this activity there - it is your right. Once again, no one has ever once assaulted or abused any sex-trade workers - if you believe so you are mistaken. No one is transphobic - at all. Sadly people miss that whole point. the web-site www.homewoodmaitland.com clearly makes clear the messg that this is not a matter of judging ANYONE, but rather than trying to secure the peace and safety of this street corner - that's it. The community would welcome talks anytime, for those in support or not.:)
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 1:18 PM

Posted by Zeppi:

....continues form above.

The johns come to prey on the sexworkers behing their wives' backs.
A young lady came by last weekend and she told us that she would be dammed if her husband were betraying her to this extent and pass on infectious deseases to her whilst she was tending his children during a blowjob session in the privacy of a car parked across the street of my very own residence.

So you see, dear Wendy, you have a moral dilemma here: which women are you going to support? The true victims of their husbands' dishonesty and infedlity or the sex workers who are not totally blameless in wrecking the lives of many women who feel devasted at the prospect of being cheated upon? Or is it that the latter women do not count since they 'deserve' to be cheated upon by these hungry males who go to the blessed tranny for relief when they can't get any from their legitimate spouse? how's that for divine justice and the 'right' of sex workers to walk the streets of a perfectly residential neighbourhood......
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 1:25 PM

Posted by Pink:

"A young lady came by last weekend and she told us that she would be dammed if her husband were betraying her to this extent and pass on infectious deseases to her whilst she was tending his children during a blowjob session in the privacy of a car parked across the street of my very own residence.

So you see, dear Wendy, you have a moral dilemma here: which women are you going to support? The true victims of their husbands' dishonesty and infedlity or the sex workers who are not totally blameless in wrecking the lives of many women who feel devasted at the prospect of being cheated upon?"


It's just like a bunch of lunitics to blame the hooker for her husbands infidenlity. If you are concerned about women being cheated on then the issue lies with the men who, if they want to cheat, will find any way to do it (lover, mistress, hooker). Why don't you stop attacking women for men's cheating.

Wendy, if I didn't live in the states I would join you on this.
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 1:35 PM

Posted by Zeppi:

Natalie,
1. You are spreading falsehoods. Paul and Machael and 'people like' them have not verbally and physically abused transexual workers on the street. I have with them since day 1 and i can attest to them.
If that is the case then you are being very remisss since you have allowed people to be abused and not report to the police authorities. if that is the case then you have really betrayed the sex workers and have allowed abuse to occur which is not only reprehensible but totally hypocritical of you! Shame on you!
2. And if you believe, as you state in your thread, that Wendy is just 'upset' and not necessrily being supportive of sex workers being in a residential area, then we have no bone of contention in the first place becuase this is the very stance of the Homewood Maitland Safety Association: to move the sex workers from this residential area.





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Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 1:39 PM

Posted by Carin:

Hi, I'm Wendy's partner in working with sex workers as well as the most basic human rights for ALL people; realize that includes those who participate in the sex trade. I'm a former sex worker, being a stripper for over 15 years of my life.

The condo owners of this neighborhood seem to be the latest in a round of "new and proud home owners" who have CHOSEN to purchase a home in a neighborhood that comes with these issues; yet apparently once moved in, seem to be horrified at what goes on. Did you even bother to check out the neighborhood before paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for your condo?

I too, live on a a high traffic stroll area; somehow in my neighborhood it isn't an issue. I have had, however, a drunk piss on my living room window once; yet this wasn't a working girl. This is NOT a prostitute-condo owner issue, this is a "how people act" issue...there is NO neighborhood in Toronto where drugs, alchohol and idiots do NOT cause problems.

For those who still choose to remain uninformed, NO ONE as a child chooses this as their profession, rather circumstances in life have left this one of the few occupations that is feasible. Wanna stop the prostitutes? Stop abusing, sexually and/or otherwise our nation's kids. God forbid someone in your family that you love becomes so traumatized as a youth that this becomes an attractive and viable job.... you all seem to be forgetting that before these girls (or guys) were hookers, they were someone's kid, someone's brother/sister, someone's relative. Further alienation is NOT the cure, it's part of the problem.
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 2:01 PM

Posted by wendy miller:

Here's another post on this Homewood/Maitland Harassment/Transphobic group:

http://splinterjete.livejournal.com/
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 2:04 PM

Posted by Rhiannon:

I lived on Maitland, near Homewood, until very recently and I have no idea what Michael, Paul et al are so upset about. Yes, I saw prostitutes. But not once did they bother me. I never saw anything worth getting upset about. It was, as Wendy mentioned about her neighbourhood, the drunks coming home from the bar that made all the noise and caused disturbances.

Try having a little compassion and understanding, rather than overreacting.
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 2:45 PM

Posted by Maurganne:

Life is full of CHOICES...some of us have more "Choice" than others this is what us Lefties call "Priviledge". For those who can afford the mortgage you can live where ever you like. For those with little or no tolerance for queer community, drug addicts, prostitution, and other groups you can take your biggoted self up to Richmond Hill or another subburb of the like and keep you cats on leashes, spy on your neighbours, and put up a Huge fence and not know your neighbour.

Its my thinking that those of us who choose to live downtown there is an understanding that all the aspects of downtown life will be part of the experience. Here is a lovely saying I hope helps you in your life..."It is easier to put on slippers ...than it is to carpet the entire world!" Perhaps your community group could go out and buy some slippers..if that does not work...MOVE.
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 2:55 PM

Posted by shannon:

Dear Michael, Allan and Zeppi, As I came across your postings, I was deeply disturbed by the tone of them. Perhaps any points you have to make would be clear if your word choices weren't so condescending.
Michael and Allan, I'm baffled by your vitriolic posts.
If you cannot stand what is happening in your neighbourhood, move.
And Zeppi,if you are a male you really don't have a place in challenging which women are "victims" of prostitution.
To all three of you gentlemen, in the end, all anyone has is power over their own actions. So move.
If you want to effect any quantifiable change in the area you won't be achieving it with night time protests.
Regardless, please don't threaten, either on the street or with your language choices in these posts.
Thank-you
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 3:30 PM

Posted by Allan:

Shannon sweetie, we OWN this neighborhood by buying properties, investing our WORK and paying TAXES !
We have the RIGHT to enjoy it free of prostitutes / criminal / drug dealers and other low-lives that infest the downtown of Toronto.
The Facts are obvious, we are making a difference - The johns are scared to come - The prostitutes "food" source is migrating away - Soon the traffic patterns on Homewood will be altered - and the hookers can find themselves another area to pollute !
Enjoy sweetie :):) ;)
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 3:40 PM

Posted by Carin:

Allan:

Funny, I danced, made tons of money, PAID taxes on it, and yet NEVER had the audacity to think I owned ANY NEIGHBORHOOD...by condescending to people, do you really think you're getting a point across? or merely coming through as someone who's incapable of being capable of an adult conversation?

If only the hookers were the source of pollution, how easy life would be....it'll be interesting to see how many drug dealers are still around due to the brisk commerce of your neighbors, rather than the hookers...what happens then?
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 4:00 PM

Posted by Carin:

We have the RIGHT to enjoy it free of prostitutes / criminal / drug dealers and other low-lives that infest the downtown of Toronto.

Does this remind anyone of Hitler's earlier speeches? Except he expanded it to include gays, jews,and other non-desirables?

And here I thought we all had the RIGHT to dignity, freedom, and equality in Canada....

What happens next when other "undesirables" choose to inhabit or otherwise infest your neighborhood? Where are you drawing the line? Is it OK for a white collar criminal to live next to you? How about an escort who owns her/his home next to you but doesn't work in your neighborhood? Where does it stop?
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 4:09 PM

Posted by Michael:

Reductio ad Hitlerium? Oh Carin that's just so weak.
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 4:31 PM

Posted by Carin:

If the swastika fits....

Seriously, you're attacking people who are speaking out; but somehow not managing to make a point (unless attacking people who don't share your view is your point).

If you're so against street level prostitution, why not affect positive change and help decriminalize it? Then you and your neighbors don't have to live in such horrific conditions, the sex workers can work indoors without fear of arrest....

God forbid if you chase these vermin off your block and they end up working in front of your parents, friends, etc. houses...then what?
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 4:41 PM

Posted by michael:

"If the swastika fits?" My aren't you a clever one. You sure told me didntcha?

If a white collar criminal or an escort chooses to take up residence, so be it. If the laws allowed it I'd happily convert my house to a brothel. I'd have my mortgage paid off in no time AND I'd finally get those yuppy granite countertops that I apparently crave when I'm not seig-heiling around the neighbourhood.

Of course in my brothel strict rules would be enforced and I very much doubt that ANY of our local whores would be prepared to give up his crack habit in exchange for a clean bathroom, nice sheets and a strict "no-drugs on the premises" policy.
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 5:03 PM

Posted by Clubfoot:

Michael Ruhland: you and your post-twink concubine are haters. With each post you get close to making a point about individual and collective rights, but you blow it every time by obsessing over imaginary rights not found in the Canadian constitution and making breathtakingly hateful and dehumanizing comments about women. And for two homeowners allergic to transgenders you seem to have a bizarre fetish for female genitalia; I can assure you that inviting the webmaster to "wash the sand from your vagina" will not win you the peace and quiet you so crave.
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 7:15 PM

Posted by Clubfoot:

Michael Ruhland again: you claim to be "helping your community", but the actions you describe and encourage would help a gated community, not a densely populated area of Canada's largest city.

So admit it, kid -- your struggle is about money. The only thing you care about is the value of your property. And this is why you demand an expulsion of human beings from the neighbourhood and involve yourself with a group that posts on Craigslist encouraging people to show up outside your door each week for the sole purpose of humiliating women. Get the point, sweetie?
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 7:26 PM

Posted by Anais da Furia:

I could parrot many of the other voices on this thread, but I am not one for redundancy. And to be frank, as with every other NIMBY I have had the misfortune of crossing paths with, common sense eludes you, no matter how many times it is pointed out.

I have seen your website, and it is at best a thinly-veiled spew of contempt for sex workers and Trans folks. As for what has been presented here, you have done a splendid job of showing us all that you’re a gaggle of asshats.

You don’t want dialogue with sex workers; you want a one-way conversation. Oh, and a little piece of advice: sex workers can sense this shit from 20 leagues away, and so can the 519.

Good luck with that.
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 9:00 PM

Posted by Michael:

Harms Caused by Street Prostitution

Street prostitution varies across the individual prostitutes involved and their commitment to prostitution, the market size, the community’s tolerance levels, the degree to which prostitutes are organized, and the relationship of prostitution to drug use and trafficking. Street prostitution accounts for perhaps only 10 to 20 percent of all prostitution, but it has the most visible negative impact on the community.

The following are among the many reasons why the police should be concerned about street prostitution.
Moral and Nuisance Concerns

* Prostitution offends some citizens’ moral standards.
* Prostitution is a nuisance to passersby and to nearby residents and businesses.
* Prostitutes and clients offend uninvolved people in the area when they solicit them.
* Juveniles, less capable of making informed choices, may become prostitutes.

Public Health Concerns

*
Used Condoms & Syringes

Used condoms and syringes commonly found on the ground in street prostitution areas are unsightly and potentially hazardous. Photo: Bob Heimberger
Prostitutes and clients may spread sexually transmitted diseases such as syphilis, herpes, and AIDS.†
* Used condoms, syringes, and other paraphernalia left on the ground are unsightly and potentially hazardous.
* Prostitutes who do not have access to proper facilities may urinate, defecate, or bathe in public.

† Contrary to popular belief, prostitution has not been demonstrated to be a primary means of HIV transmission, at least not in the United States, largely because most street prostitution sex acts are oral rather than vaginal (oral transmission is less likely), most prostitutes insist that clients use condoms (less true of drug-dependent prostitutes), and transmission is more difficult from female to male. Of course, fear of contracting HIV has likely changed the sex practices of some prostitutes and clients. HI
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 10:07 PM

Posted by Anonymous:

Personal Safety Concerns

* Clients may harm prostitutes.
* Clients or prostitutes may be defrauded, robbed, or assaulted.
* Pimps may financially and physically exploit prostitutes.

Spillover-Effect Concerns

* Street prostitution and street drug markets are often linked.
* Prostitution may provide the seedbed for organized crime.
* Prostitutes create parking and traffic problems where they congregate.
* Prostitution attracts strangers and criminals to a neighborhood.

Economic Concerns

* Legitimate businesses may lose customers who avoid the area because of prostitution.
* Prostitutes’ presence may negatively affect the area economy, reducing property values and limiting property use.

Civil Rights Concerns

* Prostitutes, as citizens, have rights that need to be protected.

Police Integrity Concerns

* Policing prostitution creates special opportunities for police officers to engage in unethical conduct, such as taking payments in exchange for nonenforcement, because prostitutes, pimps, and clients are in weak positions to complain about police misconduct.
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 10:08 PM

Posted by Anonymous:

Factors Contributing to Street Prostitution

Understanding the factors that are known to contribute to your problem will help you frame your own local analysis questions, determine good effectiveness measures, recognize key intervention points, and select an appropriate set of responses for your particular problem. The literature on street prostitution provides a general picture of street prostitutes, clients, pimps, sexual transactions, areas where street prostitution thrives, and links between street prostitution and drugs.
Street Prostitutes

Street prostitutes have lower status than indoor prostitutes. They are often in some state of personal decline (e.g., running away from abusive situations, becoming drug-dependent, deteriorating psychologically, and/or getting less physically attractive). Most have social, economic, and health problems. Most first turn to prostitution at a young age, often before they are 18.

Street prostitutes are not equally committed to prostitution: some are deeply committed for financial and lifestyle reasons; some are committed only due to drug dependency; and some are weakly committed, engaging in prostitution because it is the easiest way for them to make some money. Their inability to find adequately paying work elsewhere is the most common reason prostitutes give to explain their choice to work on the street. Many prostitutes try to leave the streets, although they often return and then leave again. Most return to prostitution because their limited education and lack of skills make finding employment very difficult. Without a means to support themselves and their children, they may think staying on the streets is less risky than leaving prostitution.

The typical street prostitute works six to eight hours a day, five to six days a week, and has three to five clients a night. Street prostitutes’ lives are organized principally around prostitution itself, and around maneuvering through the legal system
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 10:10 PM

Posted by M:

Areas Where Street Prostitution Exists

Street prostitution markets go through stages of development—they emerge, expand, stabilize, and disappear. [20] Sometimes they emerge by accident, when a few prostitutes happen upon a new location; sometimes they emerge because of changes in an area’s traffic or commercial patterns (e.g., new roadways or new businesses such as adult entertainment establishments); and sometimes they emerge because police enforcement displaced them. It is important that an area be known for street prostitution so clients will know where to look.

Street prostitution is more prevalent in run-down neighborhoods. Those that are populated heavily by unattached males are more vulnerable to street prostitution than those with a lot of women, families, or elderly residents, because the likelihood of vocal community opposition is lower. For street prostitution to thrive, the surrounding neighborhood cannot be too crime-ridden or appear too threatening to potential clients. Consequently, it is often found in areas that are marginal or in transition, rather than in thoroughly blighted areas. However, the emergence of street prostitution will almost certainly speed up decline. Neighborhood redevelopment or gentrification frequently prompts strong community opposition to street prostitution, and clearly drives much of the pressure on the police to control it.

Street prostitution areas are typically small, less than a square mile. Larger cities usually have several such areas. They are typically industrial sites; declining residential areas; those near major thoroughfares, including tunnels, bridges, or airport access roads; or those near transportation hubs, such as train and bus stations. Street prostitution flourishes around convention centers and hotels, especially when mostly male conventions are held.

Street prostitution thrives in areas where it does not conflict with legitimate business, but rather, supports and is supported by that b
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 10:12 PM

Posted by M:

with legitimate business, but rather, supports and is supported by that business. The following foster street prostitution:

* places where sexual transactions can occur, such as cheap motels and hotels, dimly lit parking lots, alleys, and abandoned buildings

Street prostitution often thrives in areas where there are cheap motels and hotels.

Street prostitution often thrives in areas where there are cheap motels and hotels. Photo: Bob Heimberger

* places where prostitutes can take a break, such as coffee shops or bars
* places near a street drug market, so prostitutes and clients can readily buy drugs
* places offering escape avenues from the police and dangerous clients
* roads that allow drivers to slow down or stop, ideally where the driver’s side of the vehicle is closest to the curb.

Prostitutes usually take clients to places that minimize the risk of violence and ensure that transactions occur without incident. [21] These places are often near the street where the negotiation occurred so that the amount of time required for each transaction is limited. Most are out of sight of passersby but not so secluded that prostitutes will be unable to attract attention if they need help.
Street prostitution thrives along roads where prostitutes can talk to drivers from the curbside.

Street prostitution thrives along roads where prostitutes can talk to drivers from the curbside. Photo: Bob Morris
Links Between Street Prostitution and Drugs

Street prostitution and street drug markets are often closely linked, supporting and reinforcing one another. [22] Many street prostitutes use illegal drugs, mainly methamphetamine, cocaine, or heroin. Many female serious drug users turn to prostitution at some point to finance their habit. Some prostitutes develop drug habits before turning to prostitution, while others start using drugs as part of the street prostitution lifestyle. Prostitutes are a significant customer base for street- l
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 10:13 PM

Posted by Laurel:

If you are going to cite research, it helps to list where and what the source is.

Intellectual honesty means everything.
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 10:15 PM

Posted by post-twink concubine:

Notice to johns of Homewood and Maitland

Johns who circulate the block around Homewood Avenue and Maitland Place in downtown Toronto: Please be informed that your vehicles and car license plates are being monitored, recorded and reported to the police. Also, be advised that the Homewood Maitland Safety Association will be running a list of car license plates on its website www.homewoodmaitland.com

The neighbourhood and residents will no longer tolerate your presence here. We suggest you move your business elsewhere! You and your personal and family reputation are here at you own risk! Be advised.!

The Homewood Maitland Safety Association (john monitoring division)

:P
Sunday, August 10th 2008 @ 11:22 PM

Posted by Laurel:

Hey troll, you might want to quit while you're ahead. You lot are so see through it's painful, and from your posting skills, it is apparent that you have the intellect of a gnat and the charm of an outhouse after a hot Pride weekend. There is no way that you are bright or suave enough to save face now.

And just to let everyone else know here, these NIMBY dumbfucks are not only anti-trans and anti-sex workers, they also use the word CUNT liberally to describe women.

Take a peek.

http://splinterjete.livejournal.com/
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 12:06 AM

Posted by Clubfoot:

Special thanks to the HMSA for their commitment to publishing license plate numbers of random moving vehicles in their area. This will provide an invaluable resource for sex workers, who will now be able to peruse public records of clients and would-be clients, thus enabling deeper understanding and a more mutually beneficial first-name business relationship.

Moreover, this tactic, when utilized by urban-militia neighbourhood groups in the US, has had the unintended consequence of killing local businesses after regulars, wary of being mistakenly targeted, abandoned their custom and went elsewhere; this left only the hookers, the johns and homeowners sitting on heavily devalued property. However, on the upside the hookers and johns got a more peaceful and efficient workplace.

So do your worst, kids. You are about to become your own anthropological litmus test.
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 1:01 AM

Posted by Anonymous worker:

What's with all this "poor hookers" business? I won't tolerate any misguided attempts to portray us as disease spreaders or victims. I'm a proud sex worker who chooses this work over many other kinds I could do. I choose sex work. I'm hardly anyone's victim!

As for disease, current research (around the world) indicates what we've been saying for years: that straight folks having noncommercial sex (eg dating, affairs, one night stands), have much, much higher rates of unsafe sex. We are safer sex experts who watch out for our health and are massively more informed that our non sex-working peers. Worried about "the wives" Homewood-Maitland? Then start doing outreach at your local nightclub or on AshleyMadison.com!

In the meantime, I consider any assessment of street workers as a scourge to be mean-spirited, ill-informed and in this case trans-mysogynistic. When i moved to Cabbagetown, close to a stroll, i was initially disturbed when i'd be coming home late at night and cars would slow down to see if i was a working girl. I found this threatening--until i became an (indoor) worker. Then i realized that sex work clients are no more dangerous than any other guys. They simply want to purchase a service that is sold on the streets among other places. This doesn't make them evil, creepy or dangerous. I understand that residents have concerns about noise and such, but hookers and clients are a legitimate part of your neighborhood and there are plenty of more respectful ways of dealing with your concerns than a cruel and dehumanizing intimidation campaign.
To both sides, i say: be the change you want to see.
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 1:46 AM

Posted by M:

Oooh if I could come to Toronto with a megaphone I would. Guess what Michael et al? There are alot of people who would like to see a couple of fags such as yourself out of THEIR neighborhood. How quickly we forget what it is to be oppressed. I live in a different city but in a condo loft in a simillar neighborhood with simillar problems. I am a property owner, a transgender woman, and a human being. If you would like to spew hateful and misogynistic comments assaulting the gender identity of these women and hateful comments about the female anatomy as directed toward this blog's original author, why don't you come by my place and we can work this out in person. You make me sick. I hope you remember this attitude of yours the next time someone oppresses or gaybashes you.
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 6:32 AM

Posted by Karebear:

Those that are heading off this "anti-prostitution, we want a happy,quietly sip my wine on the front porch, life" could also be easily categorized as the "We don't care much for the safety and well being of another human life other than our ourselves" group. Long winded I know, but so are your rantings about your economic and civil rights (which I think are way out of touch with reality) in the heart of downtown where you are smack in the middle of the real world. You might have made a more intelligent move by purchasing some real estate in a gated community that only allows you in with a code and a hefty paycheck. The truth is, that these "prostitutes", and I assure you they are real people and most likely bleed red, can also cry, feel remorse, fear, longing, perhaps even safety and joy, are not meant to be swept under the rug or pushed into another community where more people can shine flashlights in their faces and yell at them!!!! Being pro-active and having tact means winning a point and not making enemies. Perhaps Michael and Allan, you should try to befriend one of the less threatening "prostitutes" that may frequent your property and get a little closer to the truth of who these people are and how you can make a positive change. If that is so unappealing to you I would suggest selling your real estate and moving to suburbia. Take the train into work, or if you are lucky enough to own a car, join in with the rest of the traffic commuters who curse each other, sit in their cars and never smile at another soul. You are in a position in your life where you could help others, educate yourself, and perhaps even feel that your life amounted to more than your own coziness. Just some food for thought. Peace.
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 7:46 AM

Posted by WALTHER:

Peace Karebear is the issue exactly.

Two weeks ago I was walking my dog at night. A prostitute who recognized me as a member of the group who demonstrate on the corner called me an "AIDS faggot." I was by myself and I walked away. As I attempted to leave She ran up behind my 16 year old dog and kicked him in the ribs with her giant shoe and tried to push him in front of a car.

She knows where I live. How do I know that she won't cut my throat when my back is turned?

I've stopped going to the Commnity meetings because now I'm really scared that I'm going to get stabbed or that this person is going to hurt my dog.

You all act like the street-workers are harmless. They are really dangerous especially when they are high.


You folks seem to think that the local homeowners are "condo-thugs." Not so.We are genuinely concerned about both our personal safety and the safety of our homes. If we could live in peace with the street-workers, we would.

It is only because they have shown us no respect that we have chosen to act.
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 10:08 AM

Posted by karebear:

We NEVER posted harmless. I'm sorry Walther for your experience and I know that people on crack/cocaine are not in any way harmless,quiet or respectful, but they smoke to cope with their lives. I know its hard to be compassionate, especially when they are attacking you, and I know your fear is valid and no one wants to live this way. Obviously she is reacting to an offense she feels was committed against her. Good for stepping out of the group. Maybe you can counter-protest with Wendy and educate yourself on self-defense. No crack head can be so stealth as to cut your throat from behind. Unless you are deaf and blind, your chances of survival are pretty good. Hope for help for these people.
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 11:17 AM

Posted by Clubfoot:

Hey there Walther

Curiouser 'n' curiouser! How unusual that you were harangued by a sex worker shortly after your group declared war on them!

So don't even think of trying to shore up support with that kind of story. You're an aggressor, not a victim. And the fact that you scampered away like a frightened rabbit tells us everything and changes nothing.
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 11:44 AM

Posted by Walther:

I hope that someday when you are older and alone you will know what it feels like when a stranger on the street threatens you and hurts your dog.

Maybe when that day comes you will not be so arrogant. People will try to hurt you and they will hurt your dog. Maybe some young man or woman will laugh at you and call you a rabbit. I hope that you think back then and reflect on what I am telling you today and I hope that you will feel great shame for the person you are today.
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 12:34 PM

Posted by Laurel:

Walther, if that did indeed take place, then I am sorry. There is no justification for hurting someone’s beloved furry companion, or spreading more hate and violence. EVERYONE should be able to feel safe in their neighbourhood.

I used to work with sex workers, and most of our clients were outdoor sex workers. I actually worked at an organization not too far from you. All too often sex workers are targets for violence and harassment, for nothing more than causing the offense of EXSISTING.

People get all upset that sex workers are in their neighbourhood, because they think that all sex workers are drug addicts, and that all drug addicts are criminals, and they are going to bring property values down, and, and, and…..

It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. Sex workers know they are hated by most of society, and they are aware of the stigmas that are attached to them. Common sense dictates that if you drive a group of people to the margins, then they are not going to empathize with those who are members of that society.

Sex workers are members of your community too, whether they work there, live there, or both. A community is more than just mortgages, rent, taxes, and a Starbucks. Downtown Toronto can never be that sanitized nightmare; it is a colourful and vibrant place, full of colourful and vibrant characters. That includes us whores.

IF the Homewood-Maitland bunch truly wants a safe and healthy community, then they should act as such. Set an example, and extend the olive branch. Many sex workers automatically distrust NIMBYs, and Homewood-Maitland has given them enough reasons to.

The only way that things are going to turn for the better is if people start acknowledging sex workers as members of their community, and treating them as such. They are not going anywhere; no matter how hard you try.

I have personally witnessed (and have heard many stories), that once sex workers are treated with respect, they start respecting the community they are
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 1:14 PM

Posted by Clubfoot:

Well, you have hurt me deep in my heart, darling delicate Walther.

For my part I regret that when you were younger you failed to understand that all humans are your brothers and sisters. And now the day has come where you freely choose to make common cause with haters in their mobilized effort to target people with far fewer choices in their own lives.

Your embrace of victimhood has no place here. So put down the old dog and learn the new trick of compassion and intelligence. Nihil humanum alienum puto.
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 1:17 PM

Posted by Laurel:

CONTINUED

in. I have friends who have told me stories of how sex workers in their neighbourhood have stopped people from breaking into their cars, kept watch on their kids as they walk to school, and one even intervened on a man who was getting beaten up because he was suspected of being Gay.

Things need not escalate beyond here, and can become a positive situation for all involved.
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 1:18 PM

Posted by Cetta:

Hi guys!
Now that both sides have vented all their anger, contempt and self-righteousness at each other I have one real question:
How do you propose that the trannies and the residents live side by side without bothering each other and infringing on the 'rights' of each other?
Can i get some real solutions and put aside the philosophy and politics for once?
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 4:20 PM

Posted by Michael:

I propose that the trannies relocate to Jarvis and Maitland for now. Most of them already have done so.

In the longer term, Surrey st is ideally suited to being a stroll. Check out a map of the city. It's ideal.

how about it gals? Are you prepared to network with your colleagues and forge a solution or are you just all talk.
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 7:04 PM

Posted by Laurel:

Ideal for whom? If you are talking about Surrey Place, it could hardly be classified as ideal for safety, especially if you look at the history.

But we already know that an ideal place for you is anywhere except in your neighbourhood.

Start treating sex workers with the respect that they deserve, and then you will find your solution.

Once you all stop acting like a bunch of mini Mike Harris clones, and keep your NIMBY bigot friends in check, I don't see any solutions happening.
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 8:36 PM

Posted by Clubfoot:

Let him talk all he likes, Laurel. If they carry out the threat of random license plate harassment, they'll soon be selling their properties at fire-sale rates. Plus he's already claiming victory, indicating how tired he is. We're watching the disintegration of the lynch mob play out on this blog. Kinda bittersweet, really...;)
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 9:13 PM

Posted by Cetta:

No more silly diatribe please or talk about who should respect whom. I very much doubt that the trannies have respect for the residents or vice versa. So again, I will pose the question and please suggest something tangible and realistic.
Question:
How do you propose that the residents and the trannies live side by side without bothering each other and infringing on the 'rights' of each other?
:-?
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 10:04 PM

Posted by Anonymous:

Most of the trannies have relocated to along Wellesley and Jarvis. That works fine for the residents of this street. They have worn out their welcome at the corner of Homewood and Maitland.
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 10:14 PM

Posted by michael:

Part deux: There has not been a single instance of violence or of criminal harassment on the part of residents. This is an undeniable fact. Making statements which are pure fiction does nothing but inflame the passions.
Monday, August 11th 2008 @ 10:37 PM

Posted by Renee:

having read all these posts i would like to say a few things...

1) First off, as a trans person I ask that you do not question my gender or the gender of other people, our gender is part of our identity and it is cruel and hateful to oppose someone's self described identity and if you wish to not appear as a group based on hate then you should keep the gender identity of the women in question out of the conversation. incidentally you should also know that chromosomes have no bearing on the sociological classification of gender (men or women) but rather they relate to sex (male or female). I know to the layman there is little to no difference and you may even find that some poorly researched dictionaries that make no distinction but to those that have actually studied gender and to the medical community (even the right wing doctors) there is a distinct difference.
Tuesday, August 12th 2008 @ 4:10 AM

Posted by renee:

cont..
2) I have lived all over downtown toronto in over 10 different apartments in the last 20 years and noise made at night is par for the course. I have never lived anywhere in the downtown core without nightly noise disturbances be it men out drinking screaming and getting into fights, fire trucks, police sirens, car alarms, dogs barking, couples having fights, drug addicts fighting with dealers, dealers fighting with other dealers and i dealt with this EVERY night if I had my window open (my solution was to close my window and I assure I did not have the comfort of central air conditioning that most condos afford). I have walked out of my friends condo at bay and edward only to find a well dressed woman urinating in my doorway with her well dressed boyfriend keeping watch and the condo i regularly stay at on queens quay id bombarded nightly screaming and yelling from well dressed tax paying yuppies that have had one too many to drink and now wish to beat each other up and yell swear words at the top of their lungs. Homewood and maitland isn't special all of downtown suffers from noise and poop and pee and worse and it happens even where there are no sex workers, it happens everywhere downtown every night and it would be happening on your street whether the stroll was there or not. Should you manage to remove the sex workers from your neighborhood all that will change is who is making the disturbances.
Tuesday, August 12th 2008 @ 4:11 AM

Posted by renee:

cont..
3) I moved out of my home at an early age and as a transgendered woman I found it very difficult to find employment at all let alone something that could pay my bills. sex work was my only option and I turned to the stroll at homewood and maitland for short periods of my life when i was unemployed and still had to find a way to pay my rent. I then would leave the stroll when I again found employment. I have 14 years work experience in the service industry and a sterling resume that would get any non trans person a well paying job with ease (I know because I have not always been visibly trans) but due to transphobia it seems i am now only qualified for low paying jobs that can barely allow me enough money to cover rent for a room in a boarding house or shared accommodation and sometimes it cant even do that and i am forced to return to the stroll or starve. if there was another option i would take it i hate doing sex work but it astounds me that someone would believe that their ability to enjoy a glass of wine on their porch without having to see me or to have their window open at night without hearing noise (impossible in downtown toronto see my above comment) is more important than my right to have a roof over my head in january/February toronto weather.
Tuesday, August 12th 2008 @ 4:13 AM

Posted by renee:

cont..
4) when i have been on the stroll i have always been quiet and polite and have encouraged the other sex workers present to keep it down as well as it is not good for business and i don't want to disturb anyones sleep (as an insomniac i know what its like to lay awake wishing people outside would shut up). Now i am not naive I know that there are some bad apples that make noise and fight among themselves and with drug dealers but they are not the majority of the workers there and most of the intelligent workers hate this behavior more than you residents do because if such disturbances are made and the police are called we all get charged and its just bad for business and our relations with the local residents. Most of the people making these disturbances are either hopelessly addicted to drugs (in which case no amount of protesting will stop them and they will return as soon as you are gone), people just passing through like drunk teenagers and frat boys with no regard or vested interest in keeping the peace in an area they will be gone from in a few minutes and queer bashing youths who often threaten and throw bottles and the like at the girls from passing cars (your kids maybe?). Your protesting and offensive words will only drive away the sex workers who still care about how the world views us, women like myself who have common sense keep quiet and help to reduce the amount of disturbances you hear at night by approaching the other women working and asking them as peers to keep it down for we are the only people on that street who like the residents have a vested interest in keeping the streets quiet and peaceful and trust me if you go to other strolls where there is nobody left but 5 dollar crack addicted sex workers left you will see that it is far worse there than it is on maitland go take a stroll down river street you will know what i am talking about.
Tuesday, August 12th 2008 @ 4:13 AM

Posted by renee:

now if you will excuse me i have to go close the door on the balcony of the Queens Quay condo i am staying at as there is a car alarm going off two men are fighting and yelling and with the street sweeper going bye there is a huge amount of racket outside and I don't want anyone who is already asleep to wake up
Tuesday, August 12th 2008 @ 4:17 AM

Posted by Cetta:

Hi!
Reading Reness's contribution, it seems that there is some 'silver lining in the clouds'
1. to encourage the unruly sex workers to keep it down. Renee is showing some concern to the grievances of the residents. That is part of the social contract. people have rights and obligations.
2. Employment opportunities would probably help some sex workers to find other options besides the street walk. (where is the 519 and its community resources?)
3.Transphobia? Hhmm.I very much doubt the residents protesting are transphobic. Many are gay and I do not suspect that they think this is an orientation or gender issue. Guilt or victimization is not going to wash.
4. Noise control? Two wrongs in other areas of downtown do not make a right at Homewood and Maitland.

It is undeniable that there are many sex workers out there. How is possible that no one lobbies on their behalf to get a non residential area where they can work in peace and dignity without having to worry about residents fucking up their business?
Tuesday, August 12th 2008 @ 5:48 PM

Posted by Michael:

Adding to Renee's and Cetta's comments.
1. As far as residents are concerned, the "bad apples" have spoiled the bushel. Whatever solution is found it does not include street-walkers on Homewood especially the corner. Since most of the trannies have now moved to Maitland and Jarvis and to Wellesley, this seems to be the ad- hoc solution.
2. My suggestion of Surry Pl has been shot down.
3. The 519 has not stopped up to the plate and neither has Kyle Rae. the HWSA has tried repeatedly to engage them without measureable success. It will take concerted pressure from the 519's cosntitutents to make them act.
Tuesday, August 12th 2008 @ 7:37 PM

Posted by A resident at Homewood:

On my way to a party , I confronted them, and basicly just asked them "WHY????" And one of them had to hold his boyfriend back from attacking me.

I tried to engage in a discussion with them, but they were so hot headed it was useless.

Whats sad is that they were all queer, and it was more about the decline of property value and the "ew" factor associated with sex workers.

They would have had no problem with me blowing them on the corner of the street.

Such Bullshit!
Tuesday, August 12th 2008 @ 11:16 PM

Posted by Cetta:

To the resident at Homewood:
I find it hard to believe that on your way to the party, when you 'confronted' them, they were all hot headed.
You also say that it is said they were all queer. How do you know that? Do you have impeccable gaydar?
You also say that it was 'more about the decline of property value' Do you honestly believe that people should be happy if they perceived their property investment declining?
And you conclude by saying that
"they would have had no problem with me blowing them on the corner of the street" Did you ask them wither you were their type?
You see, this is the kind of lingo and reaction which does a great disservice to the sex workers. How could you be taken seriously, honestly?
Tuesday, August 12th 2008 @ 11:38 PM

Posted by Renee:

Cetta

my reference to transphobia stems from posts on this blog by people from your orginization like

anonymous posting P.s Y chromosome means she's not a "she"

or Allen posting

Wendy, why don t you do something positive for the community ? instead of helping and protecting criminals like those MEN, dressed as women prostituting themselves in front of OUR HOMES ??? - Maybe pick-up their shit ? when they defecate on our front steps - Maybe "educate" the krack-whores by adopting them into your home ??? - They could turn their tricks in your bedroom - How nice would that be ?? You would be the Beacon of Righteousness amount your whoring friends ! :):) ;)
Saturday, August 9th 2008 @ 6:57 PM

these are transphobic remarks you are challenging a persons self proclaimed identity and bringing their gender into question

gender is a sociological catagorization and as the women movement of the 60's made clear geneticas or what is between a persons legs should not dictate that persons gender role

so i find it remarkable after reading these posts you can say that there is no transphobia in your orginization
Wednesday, August 13th 2008 @ 12:48 AM

Posted by Renee:

Cetta

to call a transexual woman a man id transphobic and akin to calling a racially diverse person by a name they find offensive.
Wednesday, August 13th 2008 @ 12:50 AM

Posted by Renee:

i will also say that transphobia is in no way exclusive to the straight community i have faced a lot of transphobia in the queer community and the transphobia in the queer community is more open than the transphobia in the straight community because Gay people feel (wrongly) that they have some insight into what it is to be trans and thus are allowed to judge.
Wednesday, August 13th 2008 @ 12:58 AM

Posted by Cetta:

Renee,
I agree with you and you are correct. A trans sexual woman is not a man and shouldn't be called as such. I apologize. I need some education here: When does a transgendered person become a woman? Is it pre or post operation?
Also, I know that some guys do don woman's clothing and shed them off and live as men in their daily lives. Are these transgendered woman? Please advise, thank you. BTW, I like your postings because you are very factual and honest in your deliberations, thank you.
Wednesday, August 13th 2008 @ 4:49 PM

Posted by DL:

Prostitution and Sex-Trade Workers all have various reasons for doing what they do. Some have, need, want,to do it. Open your eyes to other people's lives and circumstances. Homewood workers were there long before you came along...respect the environment YOU MOVED INTO, as opposed to trying to change it, you don't like it, LEAVE. I am sure you were well aware the first night you moved into your place that the area was stroll zone.....I have lived on Homewood, and I have also lived on the corner of Wellesley & Sherbourne right behind the Beaver Gas Station so don't give me your whining...you are not the moral authority of society....and don't pretend you and your organization is...and if you are so worried about what "prostitution" is doing, then why don't you get off your ass and take your moral authority and 'clean up' all of the G.T.A since you're so worried and concerned.....
Wednesday, August 13th 2008 @ 5:38 PM

Posted by Blakroze:

The sexwork issue aside, blatant and subversive comments have been made by gay and/or straight homewoners who are without doubt Transphobic AND masogynistic.

I havent worked the stroll for over a year now. One night I was the ONLY girl out there and the police stopped me saying they had a complaint about noise.

I told them to look around: no Johns no other girls, just me quietly walking. Some asshole just didnt like seeing me on the street PERIOD! The cops saw the walk was totally dead and I reported what I had seen for the 1 hour I had been there which was absolutlely nothing. Police were satisified and there was no fuss. They let me be on my way.

Once again, don't even bother to tell me residents aren't transphobic, I have experienced otherwise. And please be honest some of you for if you have a mortgage, lease, condo fees etc: you don't own it, the bank does! LOL

Lastly, the Gay bastion called "The Village" is how far away? One of the worst areas in the CITY for Trans-bashing. Gays/Lesbians have forgotten how they were oppressed. So sad. So selfish. So ugly.

To the Homewood-Maitland Safety Association, I find that you are as much of the problem as SOME of the cracked out sex-workers, which none of the other GIRLS (YES G I R L S) put up with or like either. It kills business.

Suggestion: Sexworkers clearout! The Homewood-Maitland Safety Association wants violent crack users to stick around without our help. There's your compromise UNTIL you can demonstrate civility and TRUELY show you want to meet with agencies to properly address issues.

Psst! The 519 isn't the ONLY agency. But then why would you care, you just want your property values.
Wednesday, August 13th 2008 @ 6:31 PM

Posted by Allan:

..and you are so right sweetie Blakroze - We want YOU OUT ! that is as simple as that ...We did not invite you here - Get the Hell out of OUR neighbourhood and everyone will be happy ! ;)
Wednesday, August 13th 2008 @ 7:36 PM

Posted by Anonymous:

It will be nice once we get the same issues as the US, and you won't be able to afford your mortgages.

Then all of your fancy asses will be standing on the corner to exchange blowjobs for a StarFucks latte :)
Wednesday, August 13th 2008 @ 7:58 PM

Posted by jmg:

Cetta - whether or not someone has had surgery has absolutely nothing to do with their sex or gender identity. Do you look down the pants of each person you meet to determine whether they're a man or a woman? Considering that the province doesn't cover srs, and that it costs thousands and thousands of dollars, having had it says a lot more about someone's financial status than it does about their sex.
There isn't any "official" or "objective" determinant of whether someone "counts" as a woman (the government would beg to differ on this, but the government has never been at the cutting edge when it comes to sexual and gender diversity). All you ever have to go on is how a person identifies themself. Which is why your example of someone who dresses as a woman by night and a man by day is ultimately meaningless - they could be a drag queen, a cross dresser, someone who hasn't fully transitioned yet, a rugby rookie ...
But as you should well know, considering where you live, one always refers to someone by the pronoun appropriate to how they are presenting, so that sort of nuance is really irrelevant in practical terms. One always refers to a drag queen as "she" when she's in drag, no matter how manly she might be in daily life. If you afford a drag queen this respect, then surely it can't be too much skin off your back to extend it too people who identify as women in their daily lives. If someone's presenting herself as a woman, then that's really all you need to know.
Thursday, August 14th 2008 @ 5:33 AM

Posted by Meg:

I have never lived at Homewood and Maitland but I did have a friend who lived practically on the corner and spent many, many evenings at her house. My experiences with the women who were working the corner at the time were nothing but positive, including one instance when I was being harassed by a random drunk man on the street and it was one of the women who stepped in and defended me.

I used to live at Gerrard and Jarvis and had a fair amount of trouble sleeping because of yelling and abuse outside my window, but EVERY SINGLE TIME it was drunk men and frat boys doing all of the yelling and harassing. For the most part the women wouldn't even respond, unless the harassment turned physical. I've also had my stoop urinated on, property damaged, and always by random drunk/high teens and students.

I have had my property and my self defended by women working the stroll countless times - many more than I've ever experienced any of the women damaging any property.

Cetta - the best idea is to consider a trans person to be trans as soon as they come out as such. Some seek surgery, others don't. Doesn't change their identity.

I agree with Blakrose - let the girls change neighbourhoods then when nothing changes in terms of noise or property damage in the area, the "Homewood-Maitland Safety Association" can pull their feet out of their mouths.
Thursday, August 14th 2008 @ 10:16 AM

Posted by Renee:

i will point out something else... Church Street was not always the Toronto gay village and the queer people didn't always demonstrate their sexuality so openly there. When the queer community first started to converge in that area and started to make it a place for queer people to congregate openly in public together their lifestyle and appearance offended the morals of the straight residents in the area.

the residents of the area have complained about gay men having anonymous sex in cawthra park (which is a crime) where local children play or people take their dog for a stroll only to find used condomes and shringes, or that they couldn't leave their house without having to look at men dressed in leather chaps with their ass hanging out or even his genitals exposed, the unsightly drag queens that were there with their shrill voices, the late night clubs that pounded out of local queer clubs late at night and many other complaints that are still made to this day by the straight church street residents of that RESIDENTIAL district.

from time to time protesters have riddled church street, especially so in the early years of the gaybourhood bringing signs that spouted things like "gays go away" and "we dont want your kind here", gay bashings ensued offensive hate filled words were spoken (kinda like calling a transgendered woman a man out of anger... attacking the gender identity of a trans person by refering to her as the opposite gender he/she is presenting is not unlike attacking a queer persons sexuality with a word like faggot) all out of anger because these straight people didn't like what they saw going on in the PUBLIC streets outside their home.

IT WAS WRONG THEN TO ATTACK PEOPLE EITHER VERBALLY OR PHYSICALLY BASED ON YOUR OWN MORALS AND DISLIKES AND IT IS STILL WRONG TODAY

Now i am not saying that members of The Homewood-Maitland Safety Association have violently beaten any trans women in a transbashing i dont know that either way but i will sa
Thursday, August 14th 2008 @ 2:46 PM

Posted by Renee:

cont

Now i am not saying that members of The Homewood-Maitland Safety Association have violently beaten any trans women in a transbashing i dont know that either way but i will say that local residents over the years on that street have beaten trans women severely in an attempt to drive them out and there are a number of transwomen that have been killed by those that were offended by their presence and if it is fair to lump all the trans sex workers together and say that they ALL have to go because of the actions of the few disrespectfull ones, then is it not also fair to lump all the people that have made actions to drive out the trans women together?

so you should really think about where you stand on this issue because for every queer person on homewood that wishes the trans sex workers gone i can point to one hundred straight people that would like all L/G/B/T people gone entirely

so who get's to set the standard's? Perhaps we should ask the Mormons or the Amish what is proper dress and behavior for a residential neighborhood? should the clubs on church be asked to turn the music down at 11pm? should the man in the assless chaps be forced to cover himself? should the men having sex in cawthra at 3am be imprisoned, perhaps we should go back to the day and age when bath houses were raided nightly and queer clubs were harassed by police?
Thursday, August 14th 2008 @ 2:49 PM

Posted by Cetta:

It is nice to have some positve contributions instead of low class name calling and accusations just to let of steam. And I tell you, that everyone needs to be educated to better understand one another. On a personal basis, I have never had negative experiences with tansgendered people. Actually, I honestly respect the identity, sef assertion and have always considered diversity a gift of life not a detractor. It is not my place to be judgmental since no one is perfect except God Almighty.
also I can attest that many I speak to including the Homewood maitland folks have no prejudice against transgendered folks or what they want to seek or do in terms of lifesyle even the quest of the sex trade. Many of us have travelled overseas, we have been around the block a few times, we have seen places where the sex trade manifests itself in environments where the workers are treated with dignity, protected by law enforcement, their clients. This I have witnessed in Europe where you can pick and choose in a red light district or go to the Madam in a bordello where you can great servie, relaxation and education.
Unfortyunately, the dialogue has been reduced to orientation and lifestyle. canadians only seem to think in black and white terms. We all know that the world is a grey area.
I think that the sex workers are reducing the issue to 'they hate us, so fuck them!' this is not the case with the HMSA and if people want to belive otherwise there is nothing I can do. Yes, people get hot and defnsive when they feel pissed but in real terms, I can assure you that none of the members of HMSA have animosity for sex workers, I for one. I have a great friend who was a trnasgendered sex worker and it never occurred to me to hate her, quite the contrary, she is lots of fun, one time I even went to decorate her apartment on Bleecker.
and it continues.....
Thursday, August 14th 2008 @ 4:25 PM

Posted by Renee:

um...
in reference to my earlier post

"the late night clubs that pounded out of local queer clubs late at night"

what can i say the box you type in is tiny and i was rather tired
this should have read
"the dance music that pounded out of local queer clubs late at night"

yawn i was sleepy ok
Thursday, August 14th 2008 @ 6:16 PM

Posted by Cetta:

I was not aware that trans people were beaten up by residents to scare them off. I know that there were 2 murders at 40 Homewood in the mid or late 80's but I doubt the perpetrators were the condo owners. The people I see around here do not look like thugs or violent in nature. I cannot corroborate the veracity or otherwise of what happened in the past. In fact I think that most people around here are somewhat meek and avoid confrontation.
The problem with the current sex trade situation is not a human rights issue as far as many are concerned since most folks around here are open minded about sex and orientation and being transgendered. Yes, there are people in the gay community also who do not seem to get it. They only relate to the gay image if you are a muscle Mary and anything short of this is perverse, fat, unhealthy etc. I guess, the fact that people are gay does not make them necessarily accepting of others. And that is unfortunate since many trans have been really rejected and feel betrayed by the rest of society. Human nature really sucks.
And this probably is arousing anger when you have residents marching to 'reclaim' the neig'hborhood.
The trans sex workers think that this is an attach and affront to their dignity whilst the residents see it as an attack on their quest to enjoy the neighbourhood without too much drama.

Renee, there is a problem here and I think it has to do with accountability.

The behavior of some of the trannies has been totally wild and unfortunately it has generated an unexpected and very decisive reaction on behalf of some people who have had enough with all the unnecessary antics.
Also, since the sex trade is not regulated (very hypocritical about so called civilized progressive Canadian insitutional complex), it has become literally a free for all on the street. If people on this site deny that there is nothing wrong in a small residential area which holds most of the sex workers there cannot be an amicable settlemen
Thursday, August 14th 2008 @ 8:15 PM

Posted by Cetta:

Renee,
Please see my response postings to Facts and Myths about the sex trade in the blog on this site.
from my undrstanding there is actually 99.9% common ground between what consitutes sex work as a reality and how it is percieived by many residents.
Some residents do need to be educated in order to become more sensitve to the human condition of others, no doubt about that.
That also appies to the sex workers, many of whom believe that they should operate unconditionally without consideration of the residents who live ther 24/7/365.
In life, one cannot have their cake and eat it too. No one has rights without obligations otherwise we all degenerate into the law of the jungle...............and I am afraid when that happens all of us suffer in the end.
Thge sex workers in the area do not have a biblical convenant with God. They were not given this promised plot of land, they were not here before everybody else and they should not act like the public real estate is theirs at night unconditionally. No wonder we have problems in this world and people react. No one is right or wrong here, it is not a question of morality. It is all about the social contract and its breakdown when people decide to act without consideration. it is called selfishness, the greatest of all sins!
Friday, August 15th 2008 @ 11:22 AM

Posted by Renee:

Cetta

though i agree it was most likely not the condo owners that murdered anyone (and murders have happened much more recent then the mid 80's the bodies may not have been found on homewood but the sex workers most certainly were picked up by tricks and then killed elsewhere by a transphobic individual that wanted to send fear through the stroll on homewood and maitland... lumping the condo owners in with the assaults and murders was more a lesson in what it feels to be painted with the same brush as someone you don't agree with and who's actions you abhor... many of the polite compassionate and polite trans sex workers feel very hurt and offended to be lumped in with the people (and not necessarily sex workers) that cause problems on the street.

imagine you are quietly trying to meek out an existence on the stroll, you are more than a lil scared and wishing you were anywhere else but the eviction notice you received today tells you that you need to make rent within days or you will be homeless. Then a pack of men in their mid twenties drive by in a car a lob a glass bottle at your head and yell profanities at you from their window. you meekly and quietly attempt to ignore them because to retaliate could get you beaten up. Then just as you think the incident is over a person woken up by the abusive assholes in the car shines a high beam flashlight at you from a balcony above and starts to yell at you "go the fuck home you stupid whore and then also throws bottles at you and garbage blaming you for the cars activity.... I have lived this experience and trust me it is not a myth it may have happened over a year ago (it has been a long time since i have needed to work the street having found a job that accepts my gender) but it still happened and i WAS assaulted by condo residents on that street.

i agree many of the home owners are meek and wouldn't beat up a sex worker out of fear but the cowardly and anonymous throwing of glass objects at women is assault a
Friday, August 15th 2008 @ 12:57 PM

Posted by Renee:

cont...
I agree many of the home owners are meek and wouldn't beat up a sex worker out of fear but the cowardly and anonymous throwing of glass objects at women is assault as is throwing garbage from a moving car.

and if I can be held accountable for the actions of all passerby's that interact with me while working then shouldn't the actions of the tenants of the condo's be the responsibility of The Homewood-Maitland Safety Association especially if the offenders are acting on your behalf?

or as i would suggest perhaps the offenders on both sides should be responsible for their own actions, perhaps I shouldn't be punished for the actions of the car full of assholes or the other loud offensive people on the street since I can do nothing about their actions but ask them to stop. (which i have in the past, as a matter of fact there have been more than a few nights that a few words from me have stopped incidents from happening. i have pulled out my cel phone and threatened to call police I have asked politely that the girls calm down and stop threatening each other and on those occasions I have provided the neighborhood with peace and allowed its residents to remain asleep undisturbed yet i have also been called a STUPID WHORE by those same residents and had garbage and a glass bottle thrown at me, I know for a fact i am not the only sex worker there that has acted thusly.
Friday, August 15th 2008 @ 12:59 PM

Posted by Cetta:

Renee,
I was really moved by your recent posting because I abhor the cowardice of people who abuse people in such an abject maneer by insulting you or anyone in a speeding car, throwing garbage etc.
I am besides myself with rage when I see such terrble abuse.
I can attest to you that in the early 80's when I was much younger and a twink, my friend and I were stoned on the street by a gang when I visited his mum in Bronte in 1983. In 1984 on my way to a bar with him, somceone actually threw a garbage bag of wet thrash at him and I. We were totally devastated. Another time, when we were coming back home we were both assualted, I lost a tooth and was in excruciating pain for a week. On another occasion I was going up Yonge street with a friend and this guy came up to me, slapped me and told me "you speak the language of cum" And you know what, I did not have the guts to tell the police because I feared them more than those who assaulted me, especially in the mid 80's
You see, my dear, there are a lot of cruel human beings out there. I know from personal and family experience since many of my folks were murdered in the last war.
Being part of an organization is never easy. To be honest I have been placed in many a situation to educate people and downright muzzle them. It's like a political party, there is always a trouble maker in the house.
What keeps me going is that I believe that deep down people are good souls. We all react like idiots when we perceive danger or we feel threatned.
The only thing I can do with the condo owners or residents in general is show by example. I know that I am not going to win them all because some people never want to change. I have suffered rejection and disrinmnation in my life and I have to move on, forgive and forget. Ultimately I can only live by my conscience and actions. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for being such a good guiding light to sex workers. They are really lucky to have you on side, believe me.
Friday, August 15th 2008 @ 4:35 PM

Posted by Cetta:

Hi Renee
Both side of the equation met today at the corner of Maitland Place and Homewwod. It was an amicable encounter and also emotional. We met a lot of very nice people and I think that most supporters of the workers believe (hopefully) we are not evil ogres, monsters or aliens out there to devour, to assault, to bash, insult or injure.
Now is the time to be accountable. We will continue to monitor the area and I trust that the sex workers will have their supporters to keep an eye too.
The rest is in God's hands.
Saturday, August 16th 2008 @ 1:32 AM

Posted by Cory:

WOW! What a heated discussion. I can't even comment right now. But, guanteed I'll be checking out this neighbourhood. (or battle zone?)
THEN, I'm taking bets on the Whores and the Homies. Any takers? LMAO
I hope both sides can get over the pettiness and work on real solutions. :-?
Sunday, August 17th 2008 @ 5:49 PM

Posted by lola lily:

I am not a Toronto resident, but I can see this is a very heated debate for all sides. I do hope that community dialogue can happen at a safe level for all involved, and that the H/M residents can show openness, compassion and humility towards their fellow citizens.

This type of debate is by no means unique to your neighborhood, it comes up in every place where sex workers are not afforded the right to safety in their living and working environments. We have similar situations in Vancouver, and we all have a responsibility when it comes to protecting the rights and lives of those who are most vulnerable in our society.

I am very curious to see what comes out of this. My heart and my best wishes go out to the working women out there. May you find peace and dignity in all of this.

I strongly recommend checking out the following website. This is a toolkit for dialogue between community members regarding the very same issues you are experiencing. It comes out of ongoing consultations with various community members in Vancouver, including sex workers, residents, business owners, police, etc. The crux of the issue is open communication and mutual respect, but there are several tools for meaningful engagement offered here.

http://www.livingincommunity.ca
http://www.livingincommunity.ca/toolkit/

peace.
ll
Tuesday, August 19th 2008 @ 4:54 PM

Posted by Digital Dryad:

The best solution will only come when both groups can sit down together and understand each other with compassion. This does not require anyone to move. Communities are by nature shared.

Spewing hatred around isn't going to accomplish anything.

Lola lily has the right idea.

I wonder if those involved would put their energies into actual creative problem solving or if they're just content to throw insults at each other?


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